Wednesday
27Aug2008
Ha! Kevin Smith F***ing Loves 'Zack & Miri'
Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 9:17AM
I wish I could take credit for this, but as I had
nothing at all to do with it, I can only take credit for laughing at it.
Over the past couple of months, a lot of movie-related
websites not named The Big Picture have frantically reprinted quotes from
Kevin Smith about several films. First it was
The Dark Knight, then I think Watchmen, and possibly Star Trek
most recently. He could have been talking about anything, frankly, because he
loved everything he saw and spoke about each film in exactly the same way. The
reviews were interchangeable.
I'm not inclined to listen to these reviews for a few reasons, primarily because the guy made
Jersey Girl. On purpose. And he was
a correspondent/shill for The Tonight Show. So I don't necessarily feel
like taking his advice and running to the highest mountaintop with it.
Spill picked up the scent of Smith's recent
fits of fawning praise and has crafted a very funny piece about him pilin' on
the platitudes for an upcoming film called
Zack & Miri Make a Porno. The joke is, of
course, that Smith wrote and directed Zack & Miri. Here's an excerpt from
Smith's "blog" about the film, which he was fortunate enough to see a couple
months early:
"Fucking saw Zack and Miri last night. I can’t say much because of the fucking NDA I made myself sign, but I can say this: it’s fucking astounding! You know that feeling you had when you were fucking watching the first Clerks movie and you were like “wow, this guy really fucking knows what he’s doing” and then the fucking feeling you got while fucking watching Clerks II that like “wow, this guy knows what the fuck is up again.” Multiply that by a fucking billion. This fucking film is in very fucking capable fucking hands."Fuckin' A. So kudos to the crew at Spill. That's a great idea executed flawlessly.
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Superb! (And don't forget the guy's cameo in Die Hard 4. WTF was that about?)
Yeah, I like Smith and even listen to his podcast (mostly brilliant because of Scott Mosier, btw) but Clerks 2 was a horrible piece of shit that noone should have ever had to endure. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back wrapped things up neatly for everyone, and he pooped on it all.
That being said, I hope Zak and Miri is good. I'd like to see Smith return to the witty pretentiousness that once made him the guy to root for.
Wow, take shots at Kevin for Jersey Girl and liking his own movies, that's so original. Kudos my friend, you certainly changed my prospective on his films because he was once a "Tonight Show Shill".
While I certainly don't like to force religion on anyone, God has a special place in heaven, for bloggers with such original and witty semi pop-culture blurbs!
Guy,
I always take shots at Kevin Smith, because he's vastly overrated and hasn't made anything worth a damn in a decade.
First I want to say, I'm not a Smith disciple who sits on his website and hangs on his every word. Still at the end of the day, I'm a big fan of his work and his writing, calling him over-rated is just saying, he could never write anything better than Clerks. My question for you is how many writers every have?
BTW, you might as well write about how he can't make any money at the box office, while you still can.. it's no secret Zack & Miri is going to do between 75-100 million.
*ever had.
Smith found Rogen...who could, and probably will save his film-making career. I heard there is a behind the scenes Smith on Rogen BJ sequence that will appear in the DVD special edition, by the way...
No word on whether a donkey or Brett Ratner was also involved...
How many writers could write something better than Clerks? That's actually your question? Let's see...
Billy Wilder (about a dozen times)
Woody Allen (a good seven or eight times)
William Goldman (maybe five times)
Joel and Ethan Coen (five or six times)
Orson Welles (four times)
Charlie Kaufman (three times)
Frank Darabont (three times)
Mel Brooks (three times)
Quentin Tarantino (three times)
Paul Schrader (at least twice)
Gary Ross (at least twice)
Paddy Cheyefsky
Joseph L. Mankeiwicz
Ernest Lehman
Robert Towne
Robert Bolt
...and a lot more that I don't even need to come up with.
Furthermore, I wouldn't say Zack & Miri will make $75 million. Pineapple Express slowed down in a real hurry, and marketing a movie with "Porno" in the title won't be easy. Some networks may refuse to take ads. Clear Channel Communications - and that's over 2,000 radio stations - won't run those commercials. You won't see it on any of their billboards either, and Clear Channel Outdoor is in most major cities. I'd like to know why you think it'll make that much money, or are you just blindly guessing?
Okay, I'm not going to sit here and try to argue the merits of his movies (which I'm sure you enjoyed the first four based on your early comment stating he hasn't made anything good in 10 years) Nor would I mention his writing in the same breath I would a "Woody Allen", All I ever said, was he was a fantastic writer, and hating "Jersey Girl" solely based on it's stars relationship, rather than the movie itself is moronic.
As for Zack & Miri grossing more than 75 million, I'll take a page out of your book and make a list.
Reason 1) Kevin Smith/Seth Rogen/Elizabeth Banks
Reason 2) Seth Rogen.
Reason 3) View-askew fan base.
Reason 4) Rogen's track record.For leading roles;Knocked Up-148,761,765.Super Bad-121,463,226.Pineapple Express-78,322,000(*projected numbers after weekend gross).*all numbers US Gross not including International
Reason 5)"Porno", yea that will turn away movie goers, just like "Virgin" and "Knocked up" Where the kiss of death for those two flicks!
Reason 6) Prime-Time advertising, you know the stuff you said the movie won't get, trailers will be running during Co-star Craig Robinson's little show that no one watches called "The Office".
I'm gonna stop because I'm tired of being right.-
Oh sorry I forgot one more reason, Fucking Kevin Smith's dialogue.-
Yeah, well, it's interesting that in your box office breakdown, you never mention that Kevin Smith has never broken $31 million in the U.S. Clerks II made $24 million and that's his most recent movie, released during the summer, and it's the brand name he's known for.
I especially like that you fail to mention his box office performance in light of the fact that three of your seven reasons are related to Smith or View Askew. Of course, you also have Seth Rogen listed three times. Basically, that means one reason for each of those guys, plus the word "Porno" and advertising. Do you know what a list does? It delineates separate reasons, not the same two over and over again. So your seven-tiered argument has been cut in half already, and I'll take another swing at the rest of your reasons.
Elizabeth Banks has no box office pull. Zero. Love her to death, bet she smells great, but a star she is not.
You're wrong about the advertising. The Weinsteins don't do a lot of it these days - or have you witnessed a deluge of Vicky Cristina Barcelona and Hell Ride ads that I missed? It certainly won't get a blockbuster-sized blitz the likes of which you seem to expect. One more note about The Office: Those Leatherheads and Last Mimsy commercials didn't really stick, and those movies feature two of the four main characters on the show. One of those movies was distributed by Universal - the same company as NBC - and the other was directed by the head of his own studio, New Line (back when that was a studio). Didn't matter. And since Craig Robinson just got arrested, the show may not want to put a spotlight on him for a couple of months.
Thirdly, I didn't say "Porno" would turn away moviegoers, I said it would turn away media outlets. As I said, Clear Channel just won't run their ads. I can tell you that right now. Those stations won't even play "Imagine" because of the reference to no religion. Incidentally, they own more radio stations than any other company in the world.
Bonneville Broadcasting, which is owned by the Mormon Church, also doesn't seem likely to run the ads, now do they? That company own stations in L.A., D.C., Chicago, St. Louis, Phoenix, Seattle, Cincinnati, and Salt Lake City. They also have an NBC affiliate, which means they sure won't run the ads during The Office or at any other time.
Other advertisers, real big deal outfits like Coke and GM, have morality clauses in their contracts. Howard Stern couldn't get a lot of national advertisers for that reason, which is why he pimped TrimSpa 40 times a day back when he had a significant number of listeners on terrestrial radio. If Coke says, "We don't want our ad next to one selling 'porn,'" Coke would win. No question about it. I've seen it happen in radio for two decades.
So there will be no media blitz; these commercials will run primarily on Comedy Central and youth-oriented networks, but not a lot on the majors. You won't hear an NFL halftime show announced with, "Now, from the 'Zack and Miri Make a Porno' sports desk, here's Curt Menefee."
I like how in your own example of Seth Rogen's track record, the numbers have diminished with each release, but if his star were rising to the point that he could carry this movie where you want it to go, the opposite would be true. Or do I not understand how someone becoming a more reliable box office draw works? Pineapple made over $10 million on one day. That's it. That's one-eighth of its draw in 23 days. And it opened as the major release of the weekend in over 3,000 theaters. I doubt seriously Zack and Miri will be in more theaters, and it has competition for a big chunk of the same audience, with RocknRolla opening that day.
So in addition to not really having a case for such a bold prediction, I'd like to throw one more number at you: 4. As in Scary Movie 4, the only movie released by The Weinstein Company since it was re-formed in 2005 that grossed over $75 million in the United States. The company is notorious for failing to aggressively market their movies once they hit theaters, which is why Forbidden Kingdom opened at number one and promptly died and why Halloween made $30 million on its opening weekend and less than $30 million in the next three months combined. They don't advertise their movies and they don't keep them in a lot of theaters for very long.
I hope you've regained your strength from being right and choose to dispute anything I've said. The bottom line is this: Smith isn't a draw, the movie won't be marketed as heavily as other things in the marketplace, the studio makes films fend for themselves after two weeks (by which time, you know, we'll have 007 to think about and all the fall and winter movies...), and it won't be in a Dark Knight-like 4,000 houses. Tough to make $75 million that way. Makes $100 million the kind of prediction you'd throw out there if you never stopped to think about these things.
I wouldn't (quiet frankly couldn't) dispute your case, alot of it makes sense, specifically about Harvey and Bob, who just care about turning a profit,while doing as little marketing as possible. I'll toss out a example for your side, the fact that there wasn't a trailer running for Z&M with Pineapple Express(although, at the time the movie had a NC17 so I'm not sure if they could, or couldn't run on because of that.)
But even with that being said I still expect the flick to do 75 million, so I'll be back, after the film breaks 75, and if it doesn't, I'll come back anyways and you can tell me what I retard I was for thinking it'd break it in the first place
"I'm gonna stop because I'm tired of being right." --on how "Zack & Miri" will gross $75M
That's the funniest thing I've come across all week! Too bad everybody stopped caring about this article at the end of August.